Raising the skill cap to 720 points

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Hephastus

Journeyman
How about we raise the skill cap from 700 to 720 points?

On OSI, afaik, it's now 720 point for any toon. This is an extremely fair policy towards new players/casual players because they can reach the cap without having to spend a fortune on (or eternity to farm) power scrolls. (In the past, the 720 cap was even account age based, but I think they made the 720 cap free for all because so many non-hardcore players were complaining).

On this shard, the skill cap is 700 points, but you can raise it to 720 with power scrolls (though only crafting, barding and taming related are available here). However, using the PS bug/trick, you can raise the skill cap to 720 points, lower that skill again and have 20 extra points to put into any skill that is below 100 (e.g. extra +20 meditation or inscription on your PK or thief). I think it is extremely unfair towards new players/casual players because veterans and rich players who can afford or farm the PSs can get a 17% skill increase this way.

In another forum post, I indeed learned that the majority of players on this shard are casual players. In addition to this, I personally meet new players almost every time I go to the Brit Inn. A lot has been implemented on this shard to get new players started or keep casual players playing (e.g. fast skill gain). However, I do think that a 17% increase in skill points for veteran/rich players is unfair towards the majority of players here. Call me a Socialist, but I do think that everybody should have the same skill point cap right from the start - similar to having a 225 stat point cap.

Thanks for reading this.
 
Kraden

Kraden

Grandmaster
Im pretty sure on osi the only way to do it was with PSes unless your purchase the boost from EA i believe. I say leave it. Gives people something to do. Im still trying to get 720 on my main lol
 
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Hephastus

Journeyman
Hmm...

I think they changed that last year.

"In January 2013, skill cap of all players have been raised up to 720 points." (Source: http://www.uoguide.com/Skill_Cap)

The way I read it (sorry, my first language is obviously not English), it means that you have a 720 skill cap right from the start (enabling you to be a 7x GM + 20 extra skill), you would ony need power scrolls to gain in sklls over 100 points (e.g. to be 6x legendary).
 
Bromista

Bromista

Grandmaster
It's not a bug, it's a necessary mechanic of how the game works regarding powerscrolls.

Anywho this isn't OSI. I see no need to emulate every little thing they have implemented.
 
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Hephastus

Journeyman
Well, thanks for your comments. I agree that the skill cap needs to be widened to 720 points to make PSs work.

However, I also think that being able to maintain the skill cap at 720 points and being able to put those points into any other skill (below 100), including combat related ones, is a bug and was apparently not intended (or overlooked when patching them in). Why do you think the developers of this shard spent so much time in balancing the pvp combat mechanics? Field pvp / pk hunting / pking suffers from this bug/trick too. Just imagine two equally skilled stun/alchy mages fighting each other but the other one got extra +20 healing or inscription.

The reason why we love UO/UOF is that it is not primarily item-based but skill point-based. The fact that some veteran players here roll with 720 points (i.e. 7x GM + 20 points in an 8th skill) unbalances the game signficantly, and makes it harder for new players/casual players who are arguably representing the majority of players on this shard, in addition to unbalancing field pvp.

I think that all players should have the same maximal skill cap by default (720 points per character), similar to having a maximal stat cap of 225 points per toon, owning two accounts per IP, or 1 house per account. That's just fair and common sense.
 
Bromista

Bromista

Grandmaster
What's the difference if you can't raise combat skills past 100?

Best use for bumping your skill cap up 20 pts is to have a little bit of hiding or tracking. Or even just a few more points in sub-GM skills if you're running a funky ass template. Most skills do not have an impact on player abilities until you are GM or close to it.

To say that players with a 720 skill cap have a significant boost is a gross overstatement.

Truth be told there is little you can do with those extra 20 pts, so it's hardly worth the investment to acquire the PS needed to bump it.

Furthermore it's too late to do much about it now. Staff could maybe change the way it works but players who already have their caps bumped would have to be grandfathered in somehow. Can't just yank points away from a player once they are already there. It's such an easy thing to test anyway, to assume that staff doesn't know you can do this would be silly...so it looks like it's here to stay.
 
Kraden

Kraden

Grandmaster
Yeah i dont believe the 20 points is much of a difference since there isno combat skills that go to 120 plus likehe said its kind of expensive. Im still looking for a +20 peacing to get twnety points on my main.
 
Kraden

Kraden

Grandmaster
wreckognize said:
LOL straight outta trammel extra 20 skill points my arse, we've been getting the job done with 700 if it ain't broke don't fix it

PS red squiggly line under a word means SPELLED WRONG FAIL MINUS
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Outta isn't a word. Arse isn' isn't a word. Run on sentence. CAP LETTERS FAIL. Last senetence again makes no sense. I dont use the auto correct because i dont care about grammar especially with people like you lol. This isnt english class and i got my college degree so have nothing to proove lol. And the skill cap now is 720 skills points just have to use PSes
 
wreckognize

wreckognize

Grandmaster
Kraden said:
i got my college degree so have nothing to proove
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auto correct fixes spelling mistakes not grammatical errors sir

laugh out loud

you need to get your money back for the edumacations but im sure you're glad to be filling that janitorial position wherever

also as far as on topic i realize that you can get to 720 since im legendary as fuck of course and that hasn't influenced my decision to thumbs down this horrifying idea
 
Kraden

Kraden

Grandmaster
wreckognize said:
auto correct fixes spelling mistakes not grammatical errors sir

laugh out loud

you need to get your money back for the edumacations but im sure you're glad to be filling that janitorial position wherever

also as far as on topic i realize that you can get to 720 since im legendary as fuck of course and that hasn't influenced my decision to thumbs down this horrifying idea
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I swear man you get dumber every time we talk. Auto corect and spell check fixes more than just spelling errors

Anyway yeah your right lol im a janitor lmfao or not but i can guarantee you are nothing
 
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Hephastus

Journeyman
Ok.. I still think that +20 points make a difference. I also agree that you can get the job done with 700 points - u prolly get it done with 600 points as well, that's not the issue here.

Now here is an example to show you why +20 in any skill are more than just having +20 in tracking:

Alchy-stun mage template:
100 Alchemy
100 Anatomy
100 Wrestling
100 Magery
100 Eval
100 Resist
100 Medit
20 Healing

That template can heal 23-33 points every 10-15 seconds at gm anatomy and 20 healing (I used the uo stratics website because I do not know the calculation formula here, but let's assume that it is very similar). However, you also have to factor-in that healing gets a bonus from stats, so your looking at perhaps 30-40 "shown" skill points in healing. This means you can heal even more points. How can you tell me that this does not affect the gameplay (particularly field pvp)? You get all bonues from alchy and stun, while you save mana for healing and you don't have to stop casting.

Same goes for pvm templates, particularly for dexxers who can have an extra 20 points in hiding or magery.
 
wreckognize

wreckognize

Grandmaster
Kraden said:
I swear man you get dumber every time we talk. Auto corect and spell check fixes more than just spelling errors

Anyway yeah your right lol im a janitor lmfao or not but i can guarantee you are nothing
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do you find it amazing that, despite having auto correct fully functioning, i am still unaware that it fixes grammatical errors?

Also, called it. enjoy the rest of your day lol
 
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FAMARA

Grandmaster
Bromista said:
What's the difference if you can't raise combat skills past 100?

Best use for bumping your skill cap up 20 pts is to have a little bit of hiding or tracking. Or even just a few more points in sub-GM skills if you're running a funky ass template. Most skills do not have an impact on player abilities until you are GM or close to it.

To say that players with a 720 skill cap have a significant boost is a gross overstatement.

Truth be told there is little you can do with those extra 20 pts, so it's hardly worth the investment to acquire the PS needed to bump it.

Furthermore it's too late to do much about it now. Staff could maybe change the way it works but players who already have their caps bumped would have to be grandfathered in somehow. Can't just yank points away from a player once they are already there. It's such an easy thing to test anyway, to assume that staff doesn't know you can do this would be silly...so it looks like it's here to stay.
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only thing i could see is maybe throwing 20 points of alchemy, on a scribe stun, or something else, just for tiny tiny damage bump like 1 point??
 
Bromista

Bromista

Grandmaster
Dude, without healing you can still get bandies off for like 9 hp. Not to mention if you can't cure until 80 healing/anat and if you're that low and you get one finger slip you're straight fucked, no heal for you.

You are making a molehill into a mountain and it's kind of interesting to watch.
 
wreckognize

wreckognize

Grandmaster
Kraden said:
I swear
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so long as you swear, then ok. the hook is often the most important part of your sentence structure, i agree.

:D

also, it will have been a decade since the last time i played any idiot box this coming summer, though i did have the misfortune of watching some of an episode of this Tosh.0 show some years ago. I found the guy basically annoying, like some wannabe maddox yet somehow more appealing to lower IQ audiences. Tis sad that you would willingly subject yourself to such things.

That was a perfect example of ADHD and paranoia mixed together, these are typical chemical balance issues on the dome most definitely caused by crystal meth exposure or some other brainwashing agent. Could even be toxins in his tap water or some tragedy in his life. I'm not much of a psych guy but i think @Daemonde may be able to confirm my suspicions since it apparently is his profession? Also it could even be tribbial brain dabblage perhaps... a motorcycle accident maybe.
 
Daemonde

Daemonde

Novice
Really fool, you're going to mention me in a post like we are buddies to back YOU up in this? Lol your an idiot wreck, this post WAS on topic until you decided to make it a spelling contest in here... Tbh I can't spell for shit, but I KNOW I'm smarter then you. (Btw contrary to popular belief IQ doesn't necessarily point out intelligence big guy, go read up on Stephen Hawking) "You're a special kind of stupid aren't you?" The most pathetic thing in this world are people who are legendary in their own mind, but are classified ********, and that fits you like a glove...


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wreckognize

wreckognize

Grandmaster
LOL
''butthurted'' ladies and gentlemen
for your amusement

enjoy!

on topic - aint broke dont fix sry but why mess up a good system for as bromeesta would call it theres rly no point in doing so?

back to @Daemonde strange to think that such beautiful and magnificent structures as Angkor Wat would have never existed if someone didn't PK someone else then say he's a god.. doesn't really define ''pathetic'' as you so loosely and mistakenly refer to egotism as.
 
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