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Stealing, 0-GM: An Easy Graphical Razor Macro Guide

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  1. SidX

    SidX Well-Known Member

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    This is a re-post of the original thread since the original thread was lost.

    I had a hard time finding a solid guide on how to setup a Razor macro to GM Stealing. All I could find were posts with text-based instructions on best practices but not really a thorough, graphical step-by-step guide. The ones I did find were confusing, overly and unnecessarily complicated (i.e. using a packhorse and tons of pouches), and didn't take into account things like NPC interference, item decay, etc.. I put this together to hopefully help some of you with the same struggle.

    This guide was written assuming you have zero Razor experience. If you do, you'll have no problem.

    You should go from 30-GM in about 24-36 hours of macro time for just under 40 gold worth of materials (lol).

    Items Needed
    • 2 Bags (12gp) - This guide uses bags; you will need to alter the apples if using a pouch or other container due to the in-game weight differences
    • 8 Apples (approx. 21gp)

    Both of these items can be purchased from the Provisioner.

    Tips for Success
    • Dress like an NPC. There will always be someone out there who will pick up your bags and ruin your macro loop. If you look like a plain-clothed NPC chances are most people will just walk by.
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    • Use Circle of Transparency and place your bags behind a wall so only you can see them (I'll explain later). Again, if someone comes by seeing you macroing and your bags on the ground they can just pick your bags up and your macro will error out.
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    • You may notice your gains flatline. If you experience this, try adding an apple or removing an apple. You should notice your gains pick right back up. Leave the apple count alone until you notice another flatline, then repeat this step. Your gains will continue.
    Things to Note
    • This can be done anywhere, in or out of town. You also do not need a house.
    • You won't be flagged as a criminal.
    • Wherever you do macro this, you will want to find a secluded room with no NPCs and a door to prevent any of them from walking near you. I chose the tailoring shop in Moonglow because there is a nice private room with low player traffic.
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    • I used apples in this guide because they are cheap and effective. You can also use empty bottles, etc., but ensure the weight is correct corresponding to your skill level as item weight varies.
    Steps

    1. The quickest way to get a jump on Stealing skill is to train at an NPC thief. There is one in Buc's Den, just west of the moongate over the first bridge (see map below). For about 300-400 gold you can train to 30-40 skill. Start the macro once you're at this point to save yourself hours of time.
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    2. Get your 2 bags and 8 apples and go to your chosen macro location. The next steps need to be followed precisely and in proper order for this macro to work effectively.

    3. Inside of one bag, place apples in the following quantities corresponding to your Stealing skill:

    00-30 Skill: 1 Apple
    30-45 Skill: 2 Apples
    45-55 Skill: 3 Apples
    55-65 Skill: 4 Apples
    65-75 Skill: 5 Apples
    75-85 Skill: 6 Apples
    85-95 Skill: 7 Apples
    95-GM Skill: 8 Apples

    'Food' for thought: A bag weighs 2 stones, so when combined with- say- 8 apples, you are actually stealing a weight of 10 stones total. Keep this in mind! As you progress, just add an apple.

    Stealing gains DO NOT take into account what TYPE of item you're stealing, just the weight. I've seen so many people saying you must steal different types of weapons and armor, but that is a waste of gold/items and a waste of time. The only factor for gaining Stealing skill is simply stealing the proper weight for your skill level. Therefore, something cheap like Apples is completely effective weighing in at 1 stone each.


    4. Place this bag, containing the correct quantity of apples corresponding to your skill, inside of the second bag you purchased earlier. So your pack should now contain a bag, and inside of that bag is a second bag with the apples in it.

    5. Drop the main bag onto the ground, 1 tile from you and behind a wall so nobody can see it but you (again, you need Circle Trans on to do this). Open the main bag and leave it open.

    You will now be creating the Razor macro. It may be best to scribble the following steps onto a Post-It note or something so you don't have to keep opening this guide, minimizing it, going back to UO/Razor, etc. You may get flustered and have to start over.

    6. Open Razor and create a new macro called "Training - Stealing" or something meaningful.

    For the sake of simplicity while explaining this, let's call the MAIN bag "Bag 1". The bag inside of Bag 1 that contains the apples will be "Bag 2". In brief, the macro you are creating will be doing this:

    UseSkill Stealing
    Pause 0.5 Seconds (500ms)
    Target "Bag 2"
    Pause 0.5 Seconds (500ms)
    Pick Up "Bag 2"
    Pause 0.5 Seconds (500ms)
    Drop "Bag 2" in "Bag 1"
    Pause 0.5 Seconds (500ms)
    Pick Up "Bag 1"
    Drop "Bag 1"
    Pause 6.5 Seconds (6500ms)


    a. Use Stealing skill and target the bag full of apples
    b. Assuming Bag 2 is stolen and goes into your pack, pick up Bag 2 and put it back into Bag 1 so it can be stolen again
    c. Pick up Bag 1 from the ground, drop it into your pack, and then put it back onto the ground so the macro can re-loop. This prevents the bag from decaying over time, as each time you put it down resets the decay timer


    Now I'll walk you through how to set this up in Razor.

    7. Let's record your macro. Remember: Bag 1 should be on the ground, and inside of it should be Bag 2 containing the apples.
    • Click 'Record' in Razor
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    • Open your UO window and use the Stealing skill
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    • When the target option appears, click Bag 2 (the bag containing the apples)
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    • Ensure the steal is successful before continuing. If it fails, keep trying until you are successful. You may need to keep re-recording the macro until you get a successful steal. For the sake of getting a successful steal to create the macro, you can empty Bag 2 and steal it. Just make sure you add the apples again before running it for gains.
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    • Drag the freshly stolen Bag 2 back into Bag 1 on the ground
    • Now pick up Bag 1 from the ground and place it into your backpack
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    • Drag Bag 1 back onto the ground on the same tile as before
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    8. Click 'Stop' in Razor. Your macro is ALMOST complete! So far, your macro should look something like this:

    UseSkill Stealing
    Wait for Target
    Absolute Target
    Lift 1 - 0x406B0628
    Drop to 0x4085C054 (@(37, 80, 0))
    Lift 1 - 0x4085C054
    Drop to 9x41259E77 (@(108, 102, 0))
    Lift 1 - 0x4085C054
    Drop to Ground (@(4451, 1062, 0))


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    9. Now we will insert some pauses so your macro doesn't error out due to an overflow of actions. You can insert a pause in Razor by doing this:

    a. Open Razor and go to Macros > highlight your Stealing macro
    b. Right-click "UseSkill Stealing" > Special Constructs > Insert Pause/Wait...

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    c. Select 'Pause for:' and enter 500ms (500ms = 0.5 seconds)

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    d. Click 'Insert'. You'll notice there is now a 0.5 second pause after UseSkill Stealing


    Now that you can add pauses, put them in the following places:

    UseSkill Stealing
    Pause .50sec
    Wait for Target
    Absolute Target

    Pause .50sec
    Lift 1 - 0x406B0628
    Pause .50sec
    Drop to 0x4085C054 (@(37, 80, 0))
    Pause .50sec
    Lift 1 - 0x4085C054
    Pause .50sec
    Drop to 9x41259E77 (@(108, 102, 0))
    Pause .50sec
    Lift 1 - 0x4085C054
    Pause .50sec
    Drop to Ground (@(4451, 1062, 0))
    Pause 6.5sec (6500ms)


    Make sure this is correct before continuing. Notice the longer 6.5 second pause at the very end after you drop Bag 1 back onto the ground. This is vital to avoid the macro erroring out due to action overflow (i.e. "You must wait to complete another action")

    10. You're now ready to start macroing. Ensure, again, there are no NPCs able to walk over your bag. If there is an NPC on the tile where Bag 1 goes, your macro can get interrupted.

    Throw your macro on Loop and ensure you have enough apples in Bag 2 to match your current skill. Refer to the chart above to find out your apple count.

    Once you start seeing gains and the macro is working, let it rip. Your character should be stealing Bag 2 from Bag 1, putting Bag 2 back inside of Bag 1, picking up Bag 1, then putting Bag 1 back onto the ground..

    You can always get more advanced with this and create added commands to automatically add apples once your skill reaches a specific level.. but this way is much simpler and you really only need to add an apple every few hours when you reach the next skill threshold.

    Before you know it, you'll be seeing...

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    Enjoy!
     
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  2. bzkl13

    bzkl13 Well-Known Member

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    This guide is awesome btw! I did this in a dungeon and GMed stealing in less than a day.

    Got pked, but the PKs left my bag, so I was able to just keep going hehe. Eventually they stole my apples, but I was able to cut up my corpse and use various body parts to get the required weight lol. A little macabre, but it did the job. Thanks a lot!
     
  3. halygon

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  4. SidX

    SidX Well-Known Member

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    LOL talk about utilizing your resources. I'd give that a trophy for the best clutch macroing in the history of UO.

    @halygon, thanks again!!
     
  5. bzkl13

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    @SidX - Thanks hehe, but it was mostly me being lazy and not wanting to make my alt go get more apples lol.
     
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  6. halygon

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    Yes you are!
     
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  7. jeffe

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    I have, lazily, used a short spear till 70 and Executioners Axe till GM. Makes fiddling with all the apples and bags obsolete.
     
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  8. do1nth4ngs

    do1nth4ngs Active Member

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    Awesome guide I've never seen anyone use apples!
     
  9. SidX

    SidX Well-Known Member

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    Thanks, glad it worked for you. It's always funny when I snoop someone on my thief and I see they have a bag full of apples, inside of another bag. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside :)
     
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  10. Gwygojyn

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    Great guide! Alternatively, if you do have a house.. You can secure the bag on your front step, walk one step out, and do it there. I went from 0-GM in my front yard.
     
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  11. do1nth4ngs

    do1nth4ngs Active Member

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    I used this method and it worked effectively with a small tower and a bag secured on the steps! It also makes the macro less complicated for "newbies" Just add a 10 second pause after you drag and drop the bag into your secured container. I also appreciate the efforts of the OP for showing this skill can be GM'd anywhere and very easily.
     
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  12. wil3ur

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    Gonna bump this. First time trying to train a thief. It took me about 30 seconds to setup this macro just using the quick basic guide at the beginning. After 1 minute already raised 7% starting at 25%.

    Very easy, very helpful!
     
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  13. Dwyane Wade

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    Pretty awesome guide, exactly what I did to train my thief
     
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  14. Vince[Tharakus]

    Vince[Tharakus] Well-Known Member

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    Awesome guide! And input from others! I'm definitely going to utilize this!!
    Thanks!!!!!
     
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  15. The Real Keith

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    If sam has 3 apples
    and mary has 4 apples
    How many apples do they both have together?
    None, I stole them all :D
     
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  17. Vince[Tharakus]

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    @SidX you da man!! Finally got around to working it.
    Set macro up pretty fast and easy.....thief is rolling! Thanks bro!!

    Highly recommended!!
     
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  18. SidX

    SidX Well-Known Member

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    Glad to hear it man!! If you have any troubles just let me know and hopefully I can help. The hardest part is just getting past flat lines. If you notice any, just add/remove an apple and start the macro again. You should see gains pick back up. Then just leave it be until you get another flatine, repeat, etc.
     
  19. Vince[Tharakus]

    Vince[Tharakus] Well-Known Member

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    GRANDMASTA DOG!....Thanks again for the help!
    Working on his hiding and stealth right now. Hiding is moving soOoOo slow. Even was in a dungeon for a good while, eat and drank well, and still is moving so slow. at 80 skill!!

    Oh and btw.....I GM'd the whole way at the doorsteps of my house! (just some fyi)
    And only problem I had, was someone ran past me, took apples out of my bag and put book in it, saying thanks for the apples......gave me a good laugh...lmao. Cool of them to not pk me or anything negative...lol
     
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  20. SidX

    SidX Well-Known Member

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    LOL yeah that's why I went to the Moonglow shop. First time I tried this some guy came along and started eating my apples. So I just decided to use CircleTrans behind a wall.

    Hiding is pretty easy but definitely takes a while.. took me maybe 2 full days to GM. My macro is:

    Use Skill Hiding
    Wait 10 seconds
    Loop

    I just did it in WBB because I kept getting PKed anywher else I went :'(
     

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